Often, when people listen to King’s ‘Mountaintop’ speech now, it sounds prophetic. How aware was Dr. King of his own mortality? Did he ever talk about that?
We knew that the threats against him were intense, after Hoover had convinced the attorney general to allow the FBI to tap Dr. King’s phone at home and his office phone and tap hotel-room phones, pay hotel workers to see if there was semen on the sheets. They tried to disrupt and discredit, destroy him in any way that they could to break his spirit. But they were not successful at it.
So, we knew the government was involved in the attempt to stop him. They thought his fight against the war in Vietnam was against national interest. So it seems to me that when he said to us [that his flight into Memphis the day before had been delayed because of a bomb threat directed at him], we thought that was what he was referring to [in his “Mountaintop” speech] later that night when he said, “I am not fearing any man. My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.” He was referring to what had happened in Atlanta [at the airport]—not what may happen the next day—but what had happened just the day before.
So after the incident on the plane, with the bomb threat that seemed to be aimed at him, what was Dr. King’s mood?
You never know what a leader is internalizing. We knew that Saturday, before we went to Memphis, he said he had been in the room three days with his wife, Coretta, and Andy [Young] and his wife Jean and Reverend Abernathy and his wife, Juanita. Dr. King had a migraine headache for three days. He was under such severe attack, he had to really wrestle with the idea that maybe he should consider just quitting. Maybe he had done as much as he could do in 13 years, given what happened in Montgomery and Birmingham and Selma. And Andy said, “Doc, don’t talk that way.” He said, “Andy, don’t say peace, peace. There is no peace. Maybe I should go back and become president of Morehouse College and do some writing or some traveling, some speaking.”
He said, “You know, we got to go on to Memphis. We cannot leave those sanitation workers stranded. They have a right to watch their children graduate from high school and college. They have the same human rights that other people have. We’re going on to Memphis. Then we’re going to Washington, if necessary, and tie up traffic and go to jail. We’re going to force this Congress to shift from killing abroad to healing at home.”
What was your reaction to the civil unrest that developed after Dr. King’s assassination?
It was understandable. I mean, those who were rioting were acting very American. They’re trying to solve their conflict with violence, except they were burning…their own neighborhoods. And, of course, you had [Chicago Mayor Richard] Daley saying, “Shoot to kill.” But when the smoke cleared, our neighborhoods had been burned up, [and] nothing really changed. Because we didn’t have the strength at that point to fight back. We lived and learned it was more effective to use our political power. But even today, 50 years later, poverty has expanded. Violence has increased. Wars have increased.
What’s your most vivid memory about Dr. King’s burial, about the funeral?
When we went back to Memphis with Mrs. King, I remember that march that she led in Memphis. I remember that part of it. I remember so many people we could not move. We chose to use a mule train as a symbol of his identifying with the poorest people, the rural America and the farmers. The stirring words of Dr. [Benjamin] Mays, saying he wished it had been him instead. The singing of the song at Ebenezer Church, “If I Could Help Somebody.” There were moments that kind of stand out.
But what I mostly saw was people who underestimated his value on April the 3rd, and on April 5th became new people. And some who became alive who never went back. Like a kind of coefficient of expansion, they swole up, they left their fears behind and they never stopped fighting.